and we've done a lot of the tax. we really can't get there through further tax increases or through discretionary spending. it's got to be through entitlements which means the health care sector. if we don't get serious about it, we are going to make ourselves extraordinarily vulnerable, and the president didn't do it so far. one hopes he does it in the state of the union. >> ed, republicans have had a terrible record over the past decade when it comes to spending, when it comes to deficits, when it comes to debt. george w. bush added $6 trillion in debt, the president, $6 trillion over one term. but democrats are going to have to look at medicare and medicaid. this just can't -- you can't tax your way to solvency, can you, with these programs? >> you can't. i mean, we have made over $1 trillion in cuts at the last continuing resolution. that was a good thing. we've raised revenues, $600 billion in revenue, that was a positive step. we've got, joe, at least $2.5 trillion to go. and i think richard's right. i'd say it